Friday, February 6, 2009

Translator Needed

Okay, I took some Spanish in college, but aside from learning a lot about the professor's love of her native Cuba I didn't learn a whole lot of Spanish.

If someone out there is fluent enough in Spanish to translate this news story (which I think is from Mexico), I'd really appreciate it! As it is, I think I've got the gist of it, but not well enough to be sure of all the details.

The story is as follows:

Tenía 15 años la niña a quien Maciel embarazó

De 20 años actualmete la hija del sacerdote quiere vender su historia es por eso que la orden se está adelantando para tratar de restar impacto al hecho.

El Padre Marcial Maciel fundador de la Legión de Cristo tenía 68 años cuando embarazó a niña de 15 años en 1988 en un autentico abuso de una menor, el sacerdote siempre supo de la existencia de la niña, de hecho siempre le mandaba dinero a la mamá. así lo comentó Juan José Vaca en entrevista radiofónica con Carmen Aristegui.

Juan José Vaca ex legionario de Cristo desde los 10 años, estuvo 30 años con los Legionarios de Cristo y asistente mucho tiempo de Marcial Maciel comentó a la reportera que los legionarios sabían de la existencia de esta niña 5 años antes de que el padre dejara el pontificio.

El actual superior de lo legionarios se enfrentó a Maciel para responder por sus actos y por el dinero que este gastaba ya que este siempre salía en cada viaje con 10 mil a 15 mil dólares.

Se dice que la hija del padre Maciel que en la actualidad tiene ya 20 años quiere vender su historia es por eso que la orden se está adelantando para tratar de restar impacto al hecho y prevenir mayores daños.

Vaca Mencionó que fue testigo de dos situaciones en donde Maciel se metió con tres mujeres, una en Roma entre 1955 o 56 y otras dos en el Aeropuerto Kennedy por las mismas fechas.

If anyone can translate this and doesn't mind his/her unofficial translation being posted here, I'll update this post with the translated version.

Thanks in advance!

THIRD UPDATE: Another commenter has offered this valuable perspective below:

"I'm not saying these accusations aren't true, but I'd take anything from this source with more than a grain of salt. This is an alternative news source that follows Lopez Obrador, who they call the Peje, and he caused a huge ruckus in Mexico when he lost his presidential bid in 2006. He's so far to the left he calls Chavez a friend. So I'd look for other sources for your news. If even Universal and Reforma need to be looked at with a grain of salt, much more so this publication. Just my two cents."

I appreciate that, because along with an inability to read much Spanish I also have no idea which Mexican media sources might be trustworthy and which aren't.

I've heard elsewhere that Maciel's child's mother was 15 at the time the pregnancy occurred; so far, though, that still appears to be rumor. As I said before, I appreciate the legitimate need to protect the identity of the woman and her daughter--but if this was a case of abuse of a minor than that adds a gravity to the situation that will need to be addressed.

I have also seen in a few places some hints that the child of Fr. Maciel, now in her twenties, plans to make a statement in the immediate future. Again, this is not verified at this time, but would certainly shed light on some of the unanswered questions if it were to take place.

SECOND UPDATE: An anonymous commenter (thank you so much for doing this, btw!!) in the comments box below has posted a much smoother translation, which is as follows; I'm leaving my first update below this one for now, but will probably remove it later:

"The girl that Maciel got pregnant was 15 years old.

Currently 20, the daughter of the priest wants to sell her tale, for which reason the order is coming forward to contain the damage this will cause.

Fr Marcial Maciel founder of the Legion of Christ, was 68 when he got the fifteen year old girl pregnant in 1988 in a real abuse of a minor, the priest always knew of the existence of the girl, in fact always sent the mother money. So comments Juan Jose Vaca in a radio interview with Carmen Aristegui.

Juan Jose Vaca ex-Legionary of Christ, joined the congregation at 10 years old, and was a member for 30 years, commented the long time assistent to Marcial Maciel to the reporter that the Legionaries knew of the existence of this girl 5 years before the father (ed: Vaca) left the priesthood.

The current superior of the legionaries confronted Maciel about his actions and for the money he was wasting, since on each trip he left with 10 to 15 thousand dollars.

It is said that the daughter of Fr Maciel, currently 20 years old, wants to sell her story, and that is why the order is coming forward with it to contain the damage and prevent further scandal.

Vaca mentioned that he witnessed two situations in which Maciel got into it with three women, once in Rome between 1955 or 1956 and another two in the Kennedy airport during the same dates. "


FIRST UPDATE: (from earlier, but I'll leave it for now) This is a rather awkward translation from Google's translator. I would really, really like someone to confirm the facts in the story, which are that the child's mother was 15 at the time of the abuse, that the Legion knew of the child's existence at least five years ago (and possibly longer; the phrase is unclear) and that money was being paid to the family. So if you can help, please do!

Google's version:
15 years was the pregnant girl who Maciel

In 20 years actualmete the priest's daughter wants to sell his story is why the order is underway to try to diminish the impact of the move.

Father Marcial Maciel founded the Legion of Christ was 68 years when a pregnant 15 year old girl in 1988 in a real abuse of a minor, the priest always knew of the existence of the girl, in fact if you send money to the mother . rioja and Juan José Vaca said in a radio interview with Carmen Aristegui.

Juan Jose Vaca former Legionary of Christ from the 10 years, was 30 years with the Legionaries of Christ and long time assistant of Marcial Maciel told the reporter that the legionaries knew of the existence of this little girl 5 years before the father left the pontifical.

The current top of rioja legionaires faced Maciel to answer for their actions and that the money spent since it always went on every trip with 10 thousand to 15 thousand dollars.

It is said that the daughter of Father Maciel, who is now 20 years and wants to sell his story is why the order is underway to try to diminish the impact and prevent further damage done.

Vaca said that he witnessed two situations where Maciel got three women, one in Rome between 1955 and 56 and two at Kennedy Airport for the same dates.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

The girl that Maciel got pregnant was 15 years old.

Currently 20, the daughter of the priest wants to sell her tale, for which reason the order is coming forward to contain the damage this will cause.

Fr Marcial Maciel founder of the Legion of Christ, was 68 when he got the fifteen year old girl pregnant in 1988 in a real abuse of a minor, the priest always knew of the existence of the girl, in fact always sent the mother money. So comments Juan Jose Vaca in a radio interview with Carmen Aristegui.

Juan Jose Vaca ex-Legionary of Christ, joined the congregation at 10 years old, and was a member for 30 years, commented the long time assistent to Marcial Maciel to the reporter that the Legionaries knew of the existence of this girl 5 years before the father (ed: Vaca) left the priesthood.

The current superior of the legionaries confronted Maciel about his actions and for the money he was wasting, since on each trip he left with 10 to 15 thousand dollars.

It is said that the daughter of Fr Maciel, currently 20 years old, wants to sell her story, and that is why the order is coming forward with it to contain the damage and prevent further scandal.

Vaca mentioned that he witnessed two situations in which Maciel got into it with three women, once in Rome between 1955 or 1956 and another two in the Kennedy airport during the same dates.

Red Cardigan said...

Thank you so much, Anonymous! I'm going to put your translation in the post so everyone can see it.

Anonymous said...

sorry, should also add that its not a very good translation, there are some idioms I missed - "metterse" with women I think is vulgar, but not sure, and the implication seems to be that he was with three women, but its not clear if at one time or over that time period.

Also, the grammar of the article is very poor, so that makes me wonder about it.

Anonymous said...

Well, you'll have to get someone who really knows spanish to clean up the idioms - I don't know what 'pontificio' means in this context, but since Vaca left the priesthood in April of 1989, the way I translated cannot be correct.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

exLC

Red Cardigan said...

exLC, thanks again! I wonder if the poor grammar in the article is due to the fact that this was a quick report of what was apparently a radio interview with Juan Jose Vaca.

If the facts are correct, though, then I hope that the American media (at least the Catholic media) will report them as well; if we're talking about the abuse of a minor and the possibility at least that *some* in the Legion may have known about this for at least five years (if not longer), then the situation is not at all what we've so far been led to believe it is.

Anonymous said...

I'm not saying these accusations aren't true, but I'd take anything from this source with more than a grain of salt. This is an alternative news source that follows Lopez Obrador, who they call the Peje, and he caused a huge ruckus in Mexico when he lost his presidential bid in 2006. He's so far to the left he calls Chavez a friend. So I'd look for other sources for your news. If even Universal and Reforma need to be looked at with a grain of salt, much more so this publication. Just my two cents.

Red Cardigan said...

Anonymous at 10:16, thanks! Not being able even to read Spanish very well, I of course have no idea what media sources are valid and which are not. I'm going to add your comment to the main post, if that's all right.

I think the thing that is concerning me the most about this story is that this is not the first time I've seen a mention that the mother of Fr. Maciel's child was only 15 when she became pregnant. No confirmation of that has been made as of yet, though, so it's still a rumor at this point.

Rosemarie said...

+J.M.J+

Just a wild guess, I could be wrong but:

When it says, "the Legionaries knew of the existence of this GIRL 5 years before the father (ed: Vaca) left the priesthood," does the word "girl" refer to the child or her (then) 15 year old mother? She is also called a "girl" in the article.

Maybe the sense is that the Legion knew of the founder's mistress five years before Vaca left the priesthood? Just a suggestion....

In Jesu et Maria,
Rosemarie

Anonymous said...

Hi Red Cardigan:
I was an ex-LC, understood the Spanish in the article perfectly, and also know about Mexican media. Though many of these accusations may be true, I agree with the previous commenter that this is an untrusty news source, a sort of Mexican National Enquirer. Pontificio here means "when Fr Maciel stopped being general director of the LC". Meterse means "involved with", not always implying sexually.

Anonymous said...

HI...I am mexican. I agree Meterse means "involved with" but it is commonly used to express "a sexual involvement".
This article is indeed awfully written and as stated above the source cannot be trusted.
Here is a link to a Carmen Aristegui video shown on tv talking about the Legions past week developments.

Anonymous said...

link

http://lastresyuncuarto.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/carmen-aristegui-la-doble-vida-de-marcial-maciel/

Anonymous said...

Hi, im english but I have lived in Spain since I was 6 , Now 23 years old. The translations above aren´t very good, not trying to be rude , they just aren´t. If u still need help email me at justme-1986@hotmail.com

Regards,